Curious as to the reaction in Germany, at least among the Hoi Poloi.
Obviously anyone who isn't zipped up the back already knew that one way or another, the US was responsible for taking out Nord Stream, but now, that it has basically been confirmed, short of the US State Dept blatantly admitting it....
Are the masses so cuck'd that they find it acceptable that an 'ally' has taken out key energy infrastructure, jeopardising the long term economic prospects of an entire nation, or is this causing a stir?
But, 80% of our stock market industries are held by Americans,
from Media to Insurences and the stock market itself.
Our industrie-Leaders are Internationals from Nato States.
So since WW2 we only can elect our work Councils.
And when USA is saying, we need demarcation from Nato to BRICS Staates,
to enforce their position in World Ruling ... they will help us, to find a solution like this.
But! Governments are not the native People.
Over the years, I had many friends from Russia, Ukraine,
nearly all Countries of Europe (East and West)
and of course Tukish and Syrien People too, who have a
long history Relation to Russia since founding of the Kiev Rus in Kiev,
the former capital of Russia.
This is usual ... and when I say "Friends", all should be said)
The northern Europe/Asia is far from beeing completly romanized
or americanized. We do not have that simple good/evil Hollywood Religion and we dont believe in Jahwe or however these monotheistic dictator-Gods are called
That is reflected in the refugee behaviour, too.
Nearly 60% (2,8 Mio) flew to Russia, and Germany had to offer free Transport and Money, to tempt 1,1 Mio western Ukrains
through Poland to Germany.
All other western Countries took each 0,1 Mio and below.
So what we can do, is to minimize the collateral Damage by this
strange War of the selfcalled Gods and keep the Relations to our Friends, respect our Differences and maintain Space to interact and grow.
For me, Russia has correct reasons but wrong Process.
Peoples War was yesterday (just look at the redicioulus War-Reports)
... today the People are more clever to find a solution together
than about them.
To break that mechanism, we need to update Governmentsystems
by the need of time.
To ur question: No, it is not acceptable, to cut these Interactives,
but Democracy is difficult, when u only can elect the "housekeeper" of a Parlament.
But, 80% of our stock market industries are held by Americans,
from Media to Insurences and the stock market itself.
Our industrie-Leaders are Internationals from Nato States.
So since WW2 we only can elect our work Councils.
And when USA is saying, we need demarcation from Nato to BRICS Staates,
to enforce their position in World Ruling ... they will help us, to find a solution like this.
Can't say that I understand the mechanisms of political leverage that the US exercises over Germany, but I guess it must boil down to something like that. That is to say, there are a critical mass of German elites whose own wealth is tied up with US interests. Both countries are essentially owned by the same entities, with of course the economic benefits and increasing German economic reliance on Russian energy, threatening this arrangement of US power over Germany, and thus over mainland Europe.
Your political class do not represent the people, and I don't think we are living in an age any longer where one population can be so easily propagandised into hating on another population.....however, that won't stop the German government sending it's tanks, and then perhaps aircraft to Ukraine.....every major war in the past involving multiple nations, started out with a kind of 'tip toe' involvement in regional conflicts before blowing up into something much bigger.
I just wondered, whether the light being shone on the fact that the US committed an act of war, not just against Russia, but also against German infrastructure and economical interests, might have resulted in some level of public outrage, at a time when you are all paying *5 energy bills, with German manufacturing having been rendered untenable over the long term in the absence of Russian energy.
At what point can the Cuck, simply take it no more?
Edited by DrCornwallis on 12-02-2023 13:04
Pity, this is a gaming forum. Even though it is interesting and important, you chosen the wrong place. If you want to talk so much, create a telegram channel, and we will read) (Or foreigners not use this messenger so often like russian????)
Edited by Alinka on 12-02-2023 19:54
Alinka wrote:
Pity, this is a gaming forum. Even though it is interesting and important, you chosen the wrong place. If you want to talk so much, create a telegram channel, and we will read) (Or foreigners not use this messenger so often like russian????)
It is a gaming forum, but it's also a German gaming forum and I was curious as to the attitude towards all this insanity among 'Herr Jedermann'.
The Nord Stream sabotage was both an act of war against Russia, and also an act of war against Germany, which underlines what many are beginning to suspect, that the US/NATO proxy war in Ukraine, is also a war against mainland Europe....yet the German government somehow, seem intent on carrying out the suicide mission that the US State Dept have sent them on, and willing to turn a blind eye to such blatant humiliations as Nord Stream being blown up.....
.......surely, their must be outrage building up, somewhere within this nation?
Edited by DrCornwallis on 12-02-2023 20:16
willy wrote:
Boy that's a long article with zero actual content. But a nice thesis, I guess.
Its from Seymour Hersh.
He has a pretty formidable track record. Of course, there is also a chance that senility has set in and he is just sitting making stuff up, but I doubt that very much.
I wouldn't even be surprised if his 'whistle blowers' were leaking with permission from some three letter agency. Rubbing Russia's nose in it, and letting vassal state Germany know exactly where it stands?
Biden literally confirmed that the US would take out Nord Stream should Russia invade Ukraine. Worst kept military secret ever, on purpose.
Edited by DrCornwallis on 12-02-2023 20:29
No pity - One year War and a pleasant respectful and polit reservation
in this War-Game Forum. I think, this shows how matured Shooter-Gamers can be, beside Tools and Cheats.
And Telegramm !? It is popular in Germany, too.
But, the Inventors, the Durow Brothers, took their Billions and settled
from Russia to USA to their Relatives from Facebook and Co.
Telegramm maybe was a good Idea, sold and formed into a DataMine now.
Not good anymore.
To Nordstream Sabotage
If I were a US Special Force, I would press "G" and take the MEC C4 to manipulate proofs.
There were old Nordstream 1 and new build Nordstream 2.
The Pipe 2 was short before opening, as the War brake out.
Germany was discussing about using Pipe 2 or not.
Russia said Yes, USA said No and Germany wasnt sure,
as the Pipe 1 was blowen up.
USA told the World about the Background, within 24h, as they always do
and sent us Gasships from Canada.
The Russians could just have closed Pipe 1 ... so they did their buisness to others.
DrCornwallis wrote:
Can't say that I understand ...
Both countries are essentially owned by the same entities, ... mainland Europe.
Your political class do not represent the people, and I don't think we are living in an age any longer where one population can be so easily propagandised into hating on another population ...
a kind of 'tip toe' involvement in regional conflicts before blowing up into something much bigger.
..., might have resulted in some level of public outrage, at a time when you are all paying *5 energy bills
At what point can the Cuck, simply take it no more?
You are right
These are Problems, every western Country has.
The Politicians do their best, I hope, but Democracy (Peoples Vioce)
is only one Tool.
I dont know any Company who practices democracy, it would not work.
But there are companies, Sky television e.g., who send their form
of Information and Education in over 190 countries in the world.
Most Countries without a counter-programm.
No Government can produce that.
Power comes also from network.
Some Governments take shortcuts by military Strength.
The USA were accused in over 100 cases last 100 years in front of
UN Court of Justice, to mistreat peoples right all over the world.
Nothing happened.
These 16 Tanks is kind of network.
It wont change the War, when u think about expense service and education
about tanks und jets for the ukraine mercenaries
(I have read about 17 different ukraine Battalions!?)
but it shows partnership.
And your Fear is correct;
we have to find a line in this "tiptoe", before world war.
This is, what politicians and economy is discussing about.
And what for all this Shit !?!
For the Wealth and Lifestyle.
Well, you noticed, it´s an Elite and many wants to become little Gods.
Like Hollywood, from shy Guy to Hero.
But the majority in Germany and other Countries too,
are going to strenghten their Economy in their own Countries last years.
Outsourced Industries sold by Strangers are coming back,
by new foundings of the "small people".
We reanimate our peoples Living and source out the Elite.
Maybe some reintegration ... cause we are better
Like John Lennon said: "What if there is a War and nobody came!?"
Send the Rolls Royce to Front and let them throw with Rolex Watches.
AlinkaL So negative. Don't want to live in your world...
She probably thinks by dismissing the validity of the Nord Stream sabotage as a discussion topic in the forum, she is somehow keeping aligned with the majority view of other 2F4Y BF2 gamers. With someone like this, the moment she senses that the majority actually might be interested in discussing the perceived 'verboten' topic, she would likely change her stance, like the flick of a switch.
I would also point out to AlinkaL that I posted this in the 'Off Topic' section of the forum.....
.....and thus far, nobody seems to be badly injured as a result.
Edited by DrCornwallis on 13-02-2023 17:28
These 16 Tanks is kind of network.
It wont change the War, when u think about expense service and education
about tanks und jets for the ukraine mercenaries
(I have read about 17 different ukraine Battalions!?)
but it shows partnership.
And your Fear is correct;
we have to find a line in this "tiptoe", before world war.
This is, what politicians and economy is discussing about.
And what for all this Shit !?!
For the Wealth and Lifestyle.
Well, you noticed, it´s an Elite and many wants to become little Gods.
Like Hollywood, from shy Guy to Hero.
But the majority in Germany and other Countries too,
are going to strenghten their Economy in their own Countries last years.
Outsourced Industries sold by Strangers are coming back,
by new foundings of the "small people".
We reanimate our peoples Living and source out the Elite.
Maybe some reintegration ... cause we are better
It's 100 Leopard 1 tanks, from Germany, and numerous amounts from other NATO nations, which will have to be crewed by NATO military personnel working as private contractors for Ukrainian Foreign Legion.
But I agree, it isn't going to be enough to prevent the ultimate outcome of the war in Ukraine, but might be enough to keep it all going a little bit longer, and increase the death toll by another few tens of thousands, just as the previous US/NATO military aid has 'achieved'.
Regarding German industry that was 'globalised' coming back, I suspect that the Nord Stream sabotage has sealed the fate of quite the opposite trend setting in. German industry relied on cheap Russian fuel, and as I understand it, there are whole massive plants whose operations have rendered untenable by the current and projected cost of energy as a result of ties having been severed with Russia.
I suspect it's going to be a tough few decades coming up for a Western European population who have gotten used to living very pampered lives.
Tough times make tough people, tough people make good times, good times make soft people, soft people make tough times.
Yes its Propaganda ... Foreign Minister Pistorius is for 2 weeks in office and making friends in giving Permissions.
These 100 Tanks were not in use since 20 years and are standing around at Rheinmetall. Till summer 2023, 25 tanks should be fit, than winter some more and next summer 2024 the full 100. Nice number for newspapers & Co.
I have read that 600 ukrains move to Germany,
to start their education ...
I have also read, that USA would educate 60 islamic asassins now;
US Forces should also have trained ukraine military for monthes before the War began and had left the country punctual.
...
At this point, I am with Alinka ... lets find a Line here in Forum against Rumours and Propaganda. It is simply too much.
But we can define it from Facts and talk about that, mh!?
Like the prices of energy or in the supermarket.
Restructuring always costs nearly everybody, not only Germany.
But compared to wages and other maintenance costs, the energy is in percentage not that high. Magical fast restructering has saved us.
More damaging are the sanktions.
Both are lowering the production, so exchange becomes difficult.
The Problem now: We would buy the whole world, but we cant, cause the people need it for themselves first.
So our Shelves are half-full.
But thats good ... I think)
What we wont get, should be made by ourselves again.
Ok, I have a Jeans fewer in my wardrobe, but for richer people it means a car fewer in the garage.
Therefor I spend my Jeans with Pleasure.
The Elite it would not effect more, than their inner Fight over last hundrets of years. But we get the upclimber between, who rises on the back of the small people and feed the Elite. The people are forced to make a sidestep.
Thats my hope for cutting from Elite ... no more Feeding.
But there is another important change in Spirit of all people.
Thanks also to the internet; conciousness and knowledge are rising
and the peoples will.
romantic greets
Edited by Amavitus on 15-02-2023 00:15
